RT @dobssi: Bergamo again....but I can't get my head around this. How can it have exploded so emphatically in Bergamo in early 2020 if sig…
@EphemeralEther @msabouri @digregjf @pieterstreicher @PienaarJm Speculative? Or logical.... https://t.co/wl0vETJVgM
Bergamo again....but I can't get my head around this. How can it have exploded so emphatically in Bergamo in early 2020 if significant numbers in the same location had antibodies 4-5 months earlier? When did it first arrive in Bergamo? 1/ https://t.co/
@dobssi @msabouri @digregjf @pieterstreicher @PienaarJm Yes i can understand the thinking & for the lockdown damage, sorry i was responding in wrong thread albeit still relevant. Its the novelty part that bothers me, there is too much evidence to the c
@straytwt @scotub 1. https://t.co/VUSRDxVzbF 2. https://t.co/t1M9HfNZNK 3. https://t.co/oenNAo0CiR 4. https://t.co/UzvzpMDegX 5. https://t.co/Jsq8TG8Tap 6. https://t.co/Knhszoz1B8 7. https://t.co/we7RYUQCz9 (there are more)
@Kevin_McKernan @LDjaparidze @_DaCon @jjcouey 14% sars cov 2 rbd-specific antibodies sept 2019 in italy. Even a few neutralizing antibodies as early as october 2019. For severity i worry we have to be careful with circular thinking: without in depth autops
@contrarian4data @elonmusk @KanekoaTheGreat Perhaps viral interference, Perhaps Australia & New Zealand really did keep Covid out, which allowed Influenza to keep circulating. One difficulty w that explanation: Covid circulated in much of the worl
@JoPeMa09 @Alex19762810 Mit Viren hat das nichts zu tun. Die gab's vorher wir nachher. Es geht um die generelle Strategie. Spaltung statt Aufklärung und Wissenschaft. Übriges machte das Virus bereits früher die Runde. https://t.co/ikcEbpQObh
@KoalaBe00244527 @Kevin_McKernan @_DaCon @jjcouey Support for hypothesis (continued) 2) Covid present in various places pre March 2020, at levels where most exposed, without sig excess mortality - ~11% of blood samples had Covid antibodies in Italy Sep
RT @Matthew94091812: @ABC Did pandemic response cause more harm than good? ~11% infected with Covid Sept 2019 - Feb 2020 in Italy. Yet mo…
RT @Matthew94091812: @ABC Did pandemic response cause more harm than good? ~11% infected with Covid Sept 2019 - Feb 2020 in Italy. Yet mo…
@ABC Did pandemic response cause more harm than good? ~11% infected with Covid Sept 2019 - Feb 2020 in Italy. Yet mortality levels only surged after lockdowns & Covid medical protocols introduced. https://t.co/m9VfUcl8wQ
@thereal_truther @michaelpsenger Again, no need for insults. Covid present in ~11% blood samples collected for completely different purpose from asymptomatic people in Italy Sept 2019-Feb 2020. https://t.co/m9VfUcl8wQ
@dobssi @orwell2022 @FleuryPayeur @USMortality 14% antibodies in sept 2019!!! Where are the insane death spikes? The virus can be deadly, but nowhere near as deadly as unjustified Panic & lockdowns because we refuse to look at evidence & instead op
RT @Matthew94091812: @michaelpsenger It would also be great if RFK Jr used his platform to point out Covid was already widespread before Ma…
@michaelpsenger It would also be great if RFK Jr used his platform to point out Covid was already widespread before March 2020, yet mortality exploded after lockdowns & panic began. https://t.co/m9VfUcl8wQ
@mbalter @SweenyFrank @StraightTalkMD Maybe Michael knows something I don't. Is Apolone a Mandarin name? https://t.co/tAOgjzqFTw Is Strasbourg in China?https://t.co/MMbVnUOjdD Are white-tailed deer native to Hubei? https://t.co/CJm4PVT4Cr Are all of these
@R_H_Ebright @natashaloder @WashburneAlex @mbalter Don't forget this study which revealed that blood samples taken in Italy in September were found to be positive for CoV-2 antibodies, in proportion to the regions which ended up being hotspots for severe o
@drvictoriafox To show Covid response caused more net harm than benefit: Imagine a control society: Covid prevalent, but no mass hysteria, no Covid medical protocols Italy Sep 2019-Feb 2020: ~11% blood samples had Covid antibodies. Yet no sig change in
@Lurker32718532 @DanielHadas2 Exactly! Covid may have spread widely months prior to lockdown & most likely exposed, but excess mortality increased following virus response. Covid-specifc antibodies in 11% of Italian blood samples collected for cancer
RT @Matthew94091812: @EWoodhouse7 This is probably my favorite study showing Covid-specific antibodies widespread in society months before…
RT @BBN_IRL_UK: "This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months…
"This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified, and clarifies the onset and spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. ...
RT @Matthew94091812: @EWoodhouse7 This is probably my favorite study showing Covid-specific antibodies widespread in society months before…
@EWoodhouse7 This is probably my favorite study showing Covid-specific antibodies widespread in society months before apocalyptic lockdowns, yet no major change in vital statics. If ~11% had antibodies, almost everyone would have been exposed. (14% in on
@Jusrangers Indeed, later testing of pre-pandemic samples found exactly that - 11% of Sept 2019-Feb 2020 blood samples from cancer screenings in Italy found antibodies specific to this virus. Implication: Virus response caused many harms blamed on the vir
RT @Matthew94091812: @LawrenceGostin @ScienceMagazine @oneillinstitute @GeorgetownLaw @GUGlobalHealth The pandemic response largely was the…
@StefanKluge4 kennen Sie diese Studien? https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD https://t.co/eCEkWc81eF was spricht dagegen, dass es dann auch bereits bei uns war?
RT @Matthew94091812: @LawrenceGostin @ScienceMagazine @oneillinstitute @GeorgetownLaw @GUGlobalHealth The pandemic response largely was the…
@LawrenceGostin @ScienceMagazine @oneillinstitute @GeorgetownLaw @GUGlobalHealth The pandemic response largely was the pandemic Covid spread worldwide in 2019 w enough infected to expose almost everyone Yet all-cause mortality started climbing significa
@FrankfurtZack genau so ^^ Studien dazu: https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD https://t.co/eCEkWc81eF wer mehr kennt, gerne verlinken
@jens_140081 @PoeticTragedy4 man weiß das alles, es passt nur nicht in Aberglauben A (Wuhan Markt) gegen Aberglauben B (Wuhan Fledermaus) 2 Studien dazu, Mitte 2019 mindestens https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD https://t.co/eCEkWc81eF
ja war es , es wäre ein Wunder, wenn nicht, das schreib ich seit Monaten das Spielchen Wuhan gegen Labor und keinen interessiert, was man alles schon weiß https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD https://t.co/eCEkWc81eF
RT @Matthew94091812: @gdemaneuf If 11-14% of blood samples of asymptomatic Italian residents already had Covid antibodies... as far back as…
@gdemaneuf If 11-14% of blood samples of asymptomatic Italian residents already had Covid antibodies... as far back as September 2019, then perhaps it spread worldwide much earlier than Dec 2019. https://t.co/m9VfUcl8wQ
@danwalker9999 @quay_dr Because nobody wants to have a conversation about this either: https://t.co/JzdIyB4PTM
RT @atuntable: This seems to provide solid evidence for a start by earl September 2019. But that seems too early, for Italy, all without s…
@R_H_Ebright @JamieMetzl @mbalter Wouldn't these Italian findings exclude September, October and November as possible entry dates? SARS-COV-2 RBD specific antibodies were found in blood samples from early September. https://t.co/i2y4gClBSw
RT @ID_ethics: Remembering the March 2020 thread below from overwhelmed Italian ICU doctors SARS-Cov-2 had been circulating in Northern It…
If this is true it makes all the controversy about Wuhan markets in Dec 2019 and Jan 2020, and the super spreading event there in people, or alternatively raccoon dogs there, of much less importance. Were these Italian serology results false positives?
This has a lot of significance if true. Means covid was circulating in Italy since September 2019. And much earlier than reported in China. Serology is fraught with false positives at low levels, but these percentages are fairly high. Are these false posit
RT @ID_ethics: Remembering the March 2020 thread below from overwhelmed Italian ICU doctors SARS-Cov-2 had been circulating in Northern It…
RT @ID_ethics: Remembering the March 2020 thread below from overwhelmed Italian ICU doctors SARS-Cov-2 had been circulating in Northern It…
RT @ID_ethics: Remembering the March 2020 thread below from overwhelmed Italian ICU doctors SARS-Cov-2 had been circulating in Northern It…
Remembering the March 2020 thread below from overwhelmed Italian ICU doctors SARS-Cov-2 had been circulating in Northern Italy since September 2019, i.e., ~5 months before ICU peak Serology data (picture & links): https://t.co/Pjuda5LcDu https://t.
This seems to provide solid evidence for a start by earl September 2019. But that seems too early, for Italy, all without symptoms. I whish they had done August an July as controls. Is this reliable? Thoughts? https://t.co/8unXFSyLu9
@genomcc I would like to remind you that in spring 2020 in Italy a number of blood samples from 2019 were tested for antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, 111 were found, 23 of them from September 2019, which indicates infection at the latest around June 2019. https:
@BillyBostickson I would like to remind you again that in spring 2020 in Italy a number of blood samples from 2019 were tested for antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, 111 were found, 23 of them from September 2019, which indicates infection at the latest around June
@goddeketal The samples were collected at several locations across Italy. How long does it take for virus to spread to 10 percent? At least a month, probably more so the real origin had to have been at least as far back as July or June or even earlier. htt
@BallouxFrancois the media still let us discuss only two alternatives, still ignoring that the virus was already there at least since mid 2019 but it cant be hidden for ever https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD https://t.co/eCEkWc81eF https://t.co/eCEkWc81eF
@R_H_Ebright @NuancedParticle Is the Italian study with antibodies from September 2019 also false? https://t.co/zWXePyVb9s
RT @contrarian4data: @WashburneAlex Thomas Bayes is rolling over in his grave. The joint probability that every observation is a "false po…
RT @contrarian4data: @WashburneAlex Thomas Bayes is rolling over in his grave. The joint probability that every observation is a "false po…
@WashburneAlex Thomas Bayes is rolling over in his grave. The joint probability that every observation is a "false positive" is vanishingly small -- both WRT dependent observations around origins analysis and independent observations in community sampling
@jimgeraghty @GrizzlyJoeShow Actually, analysis of stool samples shows CoVid circulating by 3 months earlier than December 2019: https://t.co/BqAFN0MW2n
@hendrikstreeck Herr Streeck, können Sie einmal eine Einschätzung des Auftretens des Virus bereits seit mindestens Mitte 2019 in Italien machen. Wie ordnet sich das in die verschiedenen Wuhan Thesen ein? 2 Studien dazu: https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD https
https://t.co/bPn2EsXCne Gli anticorpi anti-SARS-CoV-2 erano già presenti pre-pandemia, come dimostra questo studio https://t.co/bPn2EsXCne
@WashburneAlex @NYTScience Disinformation is what it is. https://t.co/CWPZyBBqnG
PER COMPLETEZZA Stamattina ho postato l'articolo allegato. https://t.co/1B2k4pDSqc Ho approfondito l'argomento, ed un successivo articolo (https://t.co/Kzith8r8ib) ha rilevato che il risultato del precedente potrebbe essere dovuto a falsi positivi.
@Natascha_Strobl seltsam oder? 2019 war da schon das Virus und keiner will es bemerkt haben so seltsam wie das Leben https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD https://t.co/eCEkWc81eF
@OrtigiaP @borghi_claudio @madforfree @RicoAlessandro @franborgonovo @Donzelli @galeazzobignami @LucioMalan @valy_s @maryfagi @Leonard6031 Gli anticorpi anti-SARS-CoV-2 erano già presenti pre-pandemia, come dimostra questo studio, poi confermato da altri.
@dukla_DE nichts aus Italien und nichts von 2019 Ausdruck menschlicher Ignoranz und Faktenresistenz https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD https://t.co/eCEkWc81eF
@BallouxFrancois its all from 2020, isnt it? virus exists since at least mid 2019, we know that from Italy(!), don't we? https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD https://t.co/eCEkWc81eF https://t.co/0OUlx6LtfJ
RT @DrJBhattacharya: Covid antibodies found in stored blood from Sept/Nov 2019 in European blood banks. The implications are enormous. 1.…
RT @PlanZip: @DrLiMengYAN1 There are no raccoon dogs in Italy. Or anywhere else SarsCov2 clones were seeded prior to the Wuhan "detection."…
Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy - G. Apolone et al 2021 https://t.co/Vsnjv0YnsP
RT @PlanZip: @DrLiMengYAN1 There are no raccoon dogs in Italy. Or anywhere else SarsCov2 clones were seeded prior to the Wuhan "detection."…
@JesseVentura86 @BMauschen @Musician1980 Findest Du die Daten noch? Die wurden vor ein paar Tagen gleich wieder Offline genommen. Abgesehen davon, dass es keine Roh-Daten gibt. https://t.co/EDEPncPUJG
@Flight1917 @DrLiMengYAN1 The greatest deception is to have us arguing whether it is zoonotic or an accident. It was neither. It was intentional. https://t.co/JIKHOfJEUz
@DrLiMengYAN1 There are no raccoon dogs in Italy. Or anywhere else SarsCov2 clones were seeded prior to the Wuhan "detection." This was neither zoonotic nor was it an accident. It was lab created and intentional. It had to be. https://t.co/JIKHOfJEUz http
@Sara43347888 @BiophysicsFL Here's one. Will be making a dedicated post with more. https://t.co/JIKHOfJEUz https://t.co/IfxnC0r4Mr
@VesperAegis @21FrankS @nytimes Italian study claiming the first positive blood sample was dated Sep 3, 2019. COVID was likely circulating undetected for months. If this is true, then the Military World Games in 2019 could have been a superspreader event:
RT @MichaelPSenger: And another peer-reviewed study demonstrating global spread of COVID months before events in Wuhan. For the authors of…
RT @MichaelPSenger: And another peer-reviewed study demonstrating global spread of COVID months before events in Wuhan. For the authors of…
@holmenkollin @tomdabassman In Norditalien war SARS-CoV-2 seit spätestens Sommer 2019 unterwegs. Zur Verdeutlichung: In 23 Blutproben vom Sept 2019 wurde im Frühjahr 2020 Antikörper gegen SARS-CoV-2 gefunden, was auf Infektion im Sommer 2019 hinweist. h
@hendrikstreeck Den Hund gibt es auch bei uns, wild, seit den 60gern und er ist hier nicht gern gesehen, zur Jagd freigeben. Weiß man dazu näheres? Es gibt ja Spuren nach Italien, die die Wuhan Forschung afaik ignoriert bisher: https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD
@BallouxFrancois What do you think about the existance of the virus in Italy at least since 2019? https://t.co/N2EwzaGBwD https://t.co/eCEkWc81eF (btw these dogs are also living wild in Europe)
RT @MichaelPSenger: And another peer-reviewed study demonstrating global spread of COVID months before events in Wuhan. For the authors of…
RT @MichaelPSenger: And another peer-reviewed study demonstrating global spread of COVID months before events in Wuhan. For the authors of…
RT @MichaelPSenger: And another peer-reviewed study demonstrating global spread of COVID months before events in Wuhan. For the authors of…
RT @MichaelPSenger: And another peer-reviewed study demonstrating global spread of COVID months before events in Wuhan. For the authors of…
RT @MichaelPSenger: And another peer-reviewed study demonstrating global spread of COVID months before events in Wuhan. For the authors of…
RT @MichaelPSenger: And another peer-reviewed study demonstrating global spread of COVID months before events in Wuhan. For the authors of…