@Biotchinvestor Sorry again - 4 a more realistic assumptions for minimal % regarding a potential 'herd immunity' look here https://t.co/mtL7YZsqRh regarding my standpoint can read this shared statement 2 https://t.co/7RD8z57S0A
Here's the evidence that a herd immunity policy is immoral and unethical in the context of #COVID19. There's more published elsewhere if you care to look. 'An effective vaccine presents the safest way to reach herd immunity.' https://t.co/KMDhpUZfqK
@Vougalar @marciobarcelos Não há provas suficientes para se saber que conseguimos atingir imunidade de grupo https://t.co/Ch6g70HH1E
@GrahamLawton "Herd immunity is a key concept for epidemic control." ?? from this https://t.co/qC5jrAi9fj
@ANoble63393050 @xmp125a @pdubdev Now back to the meritoric stuff. Here is from Nature. https://t.co/srz6hlXiKo https://t.co/JY1Qrla6kd
@dannister25 @jimmct72 @CaptainNedLudd @MichaelA462 @ianbremmer @FT Herd immunity: https://t.co/eAaTP4bUKB. Sweden: https://t.co/n9TpKt86tc. Avg. 500 cases / day again & 6 deaths yesterday alone, high for pop size. So Sweden not good example: each cou
RT @roberto_blanko: 1/ Die #GreatBarringtonDeclaration will auf Herdenimmunität setzen bei #Covid. Rechnet man das optimistisch durch mit:…
@patch_summer @NickBarker1971 @ValleyWye @jeremy_hume @doctor_oxford Here's a link for you... https://t.co/O5XmmnzJ5Z I can't find anything as low as 10% to 20% in there - closest is an "optimistic" 50%, actual figures used are nearer 70%.
RT @roberto_blanko: 1/ Die #GreatBarringtonDeclaration will auf Herdenimmunität setzen bei #Covid. Rechnet man das optimistisch durch mit:…
RT @roberto_blanko: 1/ Die #GreatBarringtonDeclaration will auf Herdenimmunität setzen bei #Covid. Rechnet man das optimistisch durch mit:…
RT @roberto_blanko: 1/ Die #GreatBarringtonDeclaration will auf Herdenimmunität setzen bei #Covid. Rechnet man das optimistisch durch mit:…
1/ Die #GreatBarringtonDeclaration will auf Herdenimmunität setzen bei #Covid. Rechnet man das optimistisch durch mit: -keine Reinfektionen -IFR: 0,36% (Heinsberg) -Grenze für Immunität: 50% (https://t.co/Rq52Q58oUK) ➡️Selbst bei optimistischem Ansatz is
@BelindaAitana @AXELKAISER @YouTube Perdón? Visibilizar qué, si es un texto compuesto de puras opiniones sin fuentes! (Cuántas veces hay que decirlo?) Encima la "inmunidad de rebaño" no tiene suficiente evidencia de estar funcionando; la gente se vuelve a
@Panda31808732 Sur la fausse bonne idée de l'immunité collective, j'imagine que vous connaissez cet article scientifique ?https://t.co/PoWp2UjkMB
@vinnyfrancois Citation for Covid HIT estimate: https://t.co/AGLK8eJbOm.
@mrjamesob really good bit of science in herd immunity: https://t.co/82syLhK4iK "Assuming an optimistic herd immunity threshold of 50%, for countries such as France and the USA, this would translate into 100,000–450,000 and 500,000–2,100,000 deaths, respe
"The cost of reaching herd immunity through natural infection would be very high ... Assuming an optimistic herd immunity threshold of 50%, for the USA this would translate into 500,000–2,100,000 deaths." #HerdImmunity #Covid #Science https://t.co/bwqoKuE
@luissandoval_ar @IntraMednet @norabar Ya agrego esto otro: https://t.co/SYKiUiTu5b
RT @TweetGillian: Also this regarding herd immunity with no vaccine: “Assuming an optimistic herd immunity threshold of 50%, for countries…
RT @TweetGillian: Also this regarding herd immunity with no vaccine: “Assuming an optimistic herd immunity threshold of 50%, for countries…
@VessOnSecurity @SteveBellovin You dont have to guess (much) what the numbers are here as far as i can tell, just plug it into the r/r0 formula? https://t.co/IkIstUokbR
COVID-19 herd immunity: where are we? | Nature Reviews Immunology https://t.co/uFKZ1rFGwh
@_earthling74 Certainly the US response could have been much better, we can agree on that. Regarding the ~70% figure, I'm going to go with the virologists and epidemiologists on this one. https://t.co/b3ehgeMdWk
“Herd immunity is a key concept for epidemic control. It states that only a proportion of a population needs to be immune (through overcoming natural infection or through vaccination) to an infectious agent for it to stop generating large outbreaks.” https
@LydiaPhalen @kt_nofilter @Craig_A_Spencer "Assuming an optimistic herd immunity threshold of 50%, for countries such as France and the USA, this would translate into 100,000–450,000 and 500,000–2,100,000 deaths, respectively." https://t.co/1b02Gur9CS
of those deaths will be among older folk. Happy to be told by someone who is an expert that the article is not as gloomy as I have painted it https://t.co/HvO0Wwd1ML
RT @linda72135856: @maddow Technical reading but... **IF** herd immunity can be achieved with COVID - which no one knows if it can happen -…
RT @linda72135856: @maddow Technical reading but... **IF** herd immunity can be achieved with COVID - which no one knows if it can happen -…
@maddow Technical reading but... **IF** herd immunity can be achieved with COVID - which no one knows if it can happen - it might take about 2,100,000 deaths to get there and disproportionately affect people over 60 or those with pre-existing conditions. h
@anilvohra69 https://t.co/zG2yGtbTxh An interesting perspective if you're interested
RT @hichachu: 集団免疫 COVID-19は0.3-1.3%の推定感染致死率を持つため、特に患者管理の改善がなく、重篤な合併症のリスクがある個人を最適に保護しない場合、自然感染により集団免疫に到達するためのコストは非常に高くなる。フランスや米国などの国では、楽観的な…
RT @hichachu: 集団免疫 COVID-19は0.3-1.3%の推定感染致死率を持つため、特に患者管理の改善がなく、重篤な合併症のリスクがある個人を最適に保護しない場合、自然感染により集団免疫に到達するためのコストは非常に高くなる。フランスや米国などの国では、楽観的な…
集団免疫 COVID-19は0.3-1.3%の推定感染致死率を持つため、特に患者管理の改善がなく、重篤な合併症のリスクがある個人を最適に保護しない場合、自然感染により集団免疫に到達するためのコストは非常に高くなる。フランスや米国などの国では、楽観的な集団免疫の閾値を50%と https://t.co/pMv7RckTnS
Is #HerdImmunity a 'natural' population health goal 4 #COVID19? 📰@TheLancet https://t.co/qWuDAzlAdn 🔬@nature https://t.co/W6ArR5TGyC 🖼️@natgeophotos_ https://t.co/QsYXxnGZXG All depends on the risk deemed "acceptable": I'd say, NO death is acceptable
@swani741 @EpiEllie @bettercount_us This article briefly covers that phenomenon, as did some modeling by @gro_tsen I saw a couple months ago https://t.co/Oi2udaQi4y
@sellybear25 @lilZeroooo @Kroter24 @Milagaai @JustRyCole I'm sure youll continue to contort urself into ignoring facts & science, but here is a final attempt as my high from the lakers' win tonight has finally subsided. Herd immunity cannot be achieved
@stevejd12 All the experts come out on Twitter but answer is nobody knows. Some show immunity and some dont, some for a short period so lots of research going into it. https://t.co/28MQpfvmjR
@rwang0 Hoping for herd immunity in the absence of an effective vaccine will be ugly indeed, as it would likely cost 500,000 to 2,100,000 American dead. https://t.co/alETyJJ3ja
Assuming an optimistic herd immunity threshold of 50%, for countries such as France and the USA, this would translate into 100,000–450,000 and 500,000–2,100,000 deaths, respectively. https://t.co/WK1TDkHlJ3
@monsefderraji @Harvard @Stanford @UniofOxford Leur hypothèse repose quand même sur une immunité durable suite à la contraction du virus, qui pour l'instant n'a pas été prouvée et dont la mise en place est loin de l'évidence : https://t.co/OccHnZh4pm
@PigeonOfWisdom @MaxTheDragon Je krijgt die pas, zonder makkelijk honderd duizend doden in NL alleen al, als er een vaccin is. Tot die tijd zouden de kosten van alles open gooien exorbitant hoog zijn. Als mensen hun huis niet uit kunnen, kopen ze niets.
RT @michaelmina_lab: This is one of the most succinct and best written short pieces on herd immunity, what it is and where we are heading w…
@stevejd12 Only with a vaccine really......https://t.co/OxrBHWmsiE
@SWAtlasHoover @realDonaldTrump Nope. For COVID-19, which has an estimated infection fatality ratio of 0.3–1.3%1,5, the cost of reaching herd immunity through natural infection would be very high, in US 1/2 million to 2 million IF people retain long-term
@talkRADIO @mrmarkdolan Read to the end......https://t.co/OxrBHWmsiE
No herd immunity without a vaccine.......https://t.co/OxrBHWmsiE
@Onelifeliveit9 @CaptTimperley @educateyoself3 @Baal_Sulis @apklein51 @MichaelYeadon3 @2020Smiles @EdConwaySky Yes, it does depend on the herd immunity figure, but the consensus is that that is over 60%: ( https://t.co/7LUROAspXU ) Indeed, an outbreak on a
@CordonSroka @RepCasten You clearly have no idea what herd immunity entails. Nor do you understand science. These folks do. https://t.co/xGBf6BPqYD https://t.co/6vEdjqo6nD
@RepThomasMassie Herd immunity is a bet that might not work - some diseases won't. If it works, will take >70% infected. With an optimistic threshold of only 50%, in the USA this means 500k–2.1 million deaths at 0.3-1.3% fatality rate. Age >60 wor
@CarlaSpade @emmakennytv @seanifriel @ClaireA84235624 @AlistairHaimes @FatEmperor @SirGrahamBrady Nonsense, a recent paper in Nature finds the BEST we could hope for is HI at 50% 👇 Tweets don’t count as sources https://t.co/nGyZRMjzTi
@jim07675054 @DrTomFrieden We are nowhere near herd immunity. Herd immunity through natural infection would cause 500,000–2,100,000 US deaths. An effective vaccine is the safest way to reach herd immunity. https://t.co/JcUbrCBMtS
RT @Omer0Man: פרופ' סגל שלום, לפני מס' שבועות השמעת טענה לפיה השגת חסינות עדר תוביל לתמותה של 15k-65k בני אדם (בממוצע 40k). ע"פ סקר סרולוגי…
RT @Omer0Man: פרופ' סגל שלום, לפני מס' שבועות השמעת טענה לפיה השגת חסינות עדר תוביל לתמותה של 15k-65k בני אדם (בממוצע 40k). ע"פ סקר סרולוגי…
RT @Omer0Man: פרופ' סגל שלום, לפני מס' שבועות השמעת טענה לפיה השגת חסינות עדר תוביל לתמותה של 15k-65k בני אדם (בממוצע 40k). ע"פ סקר סרולוגי…
פרופ' סגל שלום, לפני מס' שבועות השמעת טענה לפיה השגת חסינות עדר תוביל לתמותה של 15k-65k בני אדם (בממוצע 40k). ע"פ סקר סרולוגי ifr בישראל = 0.2%-0.3%. מוסכם על כולם, כולל על יקירך נדב איל, שמדובר בהערכת חסר, אולם גם לפי המודל הנ"ל הדבקת 50% לא תגבה יותר מ10
@RepThomasMassie Just so we're all clear, your solution, absent a vaccine, could result in around 2,100,000 dead Americans. This is basically a campaign ad for @AMOwensby https://t.co/hkWRA6ZBNM
RT @andrewleedr: @EmmaEversonHock @GabrielScally Agree we need to be cautious about assuming immunity from natural infection as the jury is…
@gorgousgeorg @RyanAFournier @POTUS @realDonaldTrump Even then, science is beginning to discover COVID-19 antibodies are likely not long lasting enough for sustainable herd immunity. But hey, don’t listen to some Jack wagon on Twitter, let science do the
@EmmaEversonHock @GabrielScally Agree we need to be cautious about assuming immunity from natural infection as the jury is still out. We know immunity to seasonal coronavirus is short lived. Lots of unknowns re: immunity are articulated well in this articl
@crutchleyk @TheLeadCNN @drsanjaygupta "Assuming an optimistic herd immunity threshold of 50%, for countries such as France and the USA, this would translate into 100,000–450,000 and 500,000–2,100,000 deaths, respectively." https://t.co/1b02Gur9CS
@tmainframedino @BigCitySeb @jeromegv @BenSpurr I went with the low end of 60% for COVID-19, to be conservative, but I've seen estimates of 60-75% from various studies. This article from Nature Reviews Immunology (Sept. 9) put it at 67%, but I did a rough
Sensible commentary: https://t.co/KRg0fw61Y1
@TonyBellew Yes, it sucks right now. But I’m not sure that going the herd immunity approach is great idea. Source - https://t.co/M4vCqjaFJG
@LechMucha @6_wilku Tu piszą, że wystarczy nawet 50%. Komu wierzyć? https://t.co/xXrkQiZNtC
RT @etxberria55: https://t.co/89tDDLASFr There is so far very little evidence of herd immunity and pre existing immunity from previo…
@JerichoFell @WAVY_News @realDonaldTrump Which family members are you willing to sacrifice? Say their names. Put it in writing. https://t.co/VhtMITwQzN
@Joel88584629 @GrandTheftFonzo @oreo078073 @DwightNeville1 @menglelan @AdamInHTownTX @PaulaReidCBS "the cost of reaching herd immunity through natural infection would be very high, especially in the absence of improved patient management and without optima
@TimHassett6 @drcross @MrWoody1 @ClaireByrneLive @RealEddieHobbs Research disagrees. 50% is the optimistic lower end scenario. https://t.co/QBE76qhcbR And 20% is 980,000 cases.
@Fauchelevent09 @OsOrobor @B__I__N__Z @lauhaim et bien regardez.. puisque vous citez Pasteur... https://t.co/oDiwhRUB0H
For R0 = 3, as estimated for France1, the herd immunity threshold for SARS-CoV-2 is therefore expected to require 67% population immunity if we account for age-specific contact patterns ... the herd immunity threshold drops from 66.7% to 62.5% https://t.c
COVID-19 herd immunity: where are we? | Nature Reviews Immunology https://t.co/TIkKxh5DdQ
RT @Le_Germ: @KellyChankell @compte_relaxe @mathbernier @KellyChankell @PatDubois12 De la lecture pour vous. https://t.co/K8doF8oim1
@KellyChankell @compte_relaxe @mathbernier @KellyChankell @PatDubois12 De la lecture pour vous. https://t.co/K8doF8oim1
@Napoleonkjp1 @HerbertMkHughes @jfoster2019 @SamCoatesSky Yes and 'flu is less infectious than #COVID19. If UK inoculates 20% then there will still be virus circulating in the population. Estimates vary but it seems about 60% will need vaccination. 5% alr
@RitzReal @vincentbir @zoeharcombe https://t.co/FXcguZDsrX I think this is a pretty fair assessment of the situation. I mean I appreciate the value of questioning the official narrative, but I also think there is very clearly too much unknown to risk my
@LFC_Libertarian @CNBC @CNBCMakeIt https://t.co/3bcV0Yire6 Reaching herd immunity organically is very difficult and downright criminal. Getting infected once doesn't mean you're immediately immune to it, it takes getting infected more than a few times and
@Surtur @JayTCannon @mollywood herd immunity with covid is complicated https://t.co/wGHByWdika https://t.co/yMrcFzhjH8 herd immunity requires a substantial portion of the population have antibodies. smth that can only be achieved if those antibodies are
@dvmmum More science for Saturday.
Re COVID19 "Assuming an optimistic herd immunity threshold of 50%, for countries such as France and the USA, this would translate into 100,000–450,000 and 500,000–2,100,000 deaths, respectively." So even if it works US not even half way to lowest outcome.
For COVID 19 "the cost of reaching herd immunity through natural infection would be very high, especially in the absence of improved patient management and without optimal shielding of individuals at risk of severe complications." https://t.co/WUyRupQ7Mu
Nature Reviews Immunology from September https://t.co/wtYHw5hLLq
@robertscott661 @JossMalone @gibbosworld @MattHancock Interested to see the “many studies” as other articles say 50% best case with anecdotal evidence that it’s higher: https://t.co/PSgDlmmKs1